Ai chatbot issues

My guest today, journalist Gideon Lewis-Kraus, spent months inside Anthropic trying to answer that question. The company is one of the most powerful AI firms in the world, valued at about 350 billion, and also one of the most secretive. It was founded by former OpenAI employees - the team behind ChatGPT - who left because they believed the race to build advanced artificial intelligence was moving too fast and could become dangerous. Gideon Lewis-Kraus is a staff writer at The New Yorker. His piece is called What Is Claude? Anthropic Doesnt Know, Either. Our interview was recorded yesterday.

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This is FRESH AIR. Im Tonya Mosley. This week, the Pentagon is considering cutting business ties with the artificial intelligence company Anthropic after the company declined to allow its chatbot, Claude, to be used for certain military applications, including weapons development. At the same time, The Wall Street Journal reports that Claude was used in a U.S. operation that led to the capture of Venezuelan leader Nicols Maduro, claims Anthropic has not confirmed and has declined to discuss publicly.

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LEWIS-KRAUS: Well, their contracts with other companies and with the government stipulate that it cant be used for domestic surveillance or for autonomous weaponry. Now, of course, the issue with these systems is that once you put it into someones hands, its very hard to predict or control how theyre going to use it. So it seems to me, from the reporting weve seen from The Wall Street Journal and elsewhere, that Anthropic may have also been caught by surprise with this - that they didnt seem to have a formulated response, and they seemed as though they perhaps hadnt even known that this had been used in the Maduro raid.